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you know there's explanation for

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incident that doesn't involve aliens at

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completely silent it comes right over

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he saw a classic fly is also really

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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looked in his eyes and he said we're not

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welcome to podcast ufo for our live show

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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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and podcast ufo right here and we're

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coming at you live in the dark matter

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from a sweet little mountain top in

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maine and as always wednesday night at 9

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utc we have a great show for you tonight

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with our guest

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roger marsh he is a ufo writer

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author playwright independent filmmaker

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and he's the editor of the monthly

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journal of the

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mutual ufo network he's starting

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a partnering with open minds

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as we had alejandra rojas on a little

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with uh writing move on news stories for

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and we're going to be talking a little

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bit about that and before we get

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going any further you know it i want to

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apologize for last week we had an

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astronomy clip

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that was a corrupt file that i checked

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it this week and it is working

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so we have andy fleming's and his

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on this is are we the aliens here's andy

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and hello martin and listeners now a

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couple of years ago

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at a local planetarium i had the

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privilege of holding some

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pieces of mars that had actually been

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found on the ice of antarctica

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scientists know the origin of these nasa

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gases inside share the same composition

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of the gases in the martian atmosphere

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the meteorites were ejected from an

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what if instead of originating in pond

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panspermia which in greek means seeds

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thought that crazy idea i'm not crazy

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alone is what i'm trying to say here

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and roger marsh are you on the line

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i'm here martin yes glad to be here yes

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for joining us and hey roger why don't

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you just go ahead and throw out a

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a news story i know you're you're very

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involved in that and

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always writing and i like your stories

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so why don't you just throw out a topic

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too we'll talk about them

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these are the cases martin that we

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my story and in some cases

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um we have to be very careful are these

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people actually looking at a drone

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and we of course try to keep up with the

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drone technology or

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what they're telling us but we're not

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really seeing anything out there

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that's that has no sound to it

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and especially the way some of these

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objects move

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um like very typical

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somebody may be looking at a light

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that's very far out

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it seems to be two to three miles an

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hour they're observing it

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and then all of a sudden boom that

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object just comes right into their

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airspace

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like a bat out of hell moving into the

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airspace and then comes to you know a

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stop on a dime

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and it's hovering it's not making any

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noise

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and then it might make some maneuvers

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you know usually people say it looks

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like the object is observing

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something on the ground that it's in

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search of something

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um but it definitely looks like there's

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an intelligence behind it

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and then it either meanders away

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depending on the lay of the land where

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you're at

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where you just it just kind of is

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obscured you know by the landscape

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many other people say it it moves like a

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bat out of hell away

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it's leaving too i forgot to mention to

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our live listeners

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and um on the dark matter radio network

327
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if you want to jump over to a podcast

328
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ufo you can get into our chat room it's

329
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real easy to get into

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and we have a question that just popped

331
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up in there for you

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uh roger and do you have any ideas as to

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what some of the military-based lighter

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than aircraft might be used for

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are you familiar with the lighter than

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aircraft the military

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has yes somewhat i know our the larger

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team at mufon you know they're very on

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top of it

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i have read some of the articles that

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they are in development with these

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aircraft

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but again keep in mind that

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uh this is not what our witnesses are

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seeing

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um there may be cases where people are

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looking at

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something like a ladder than aircraft at

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a distance

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the same way that you would see a

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balloon you know at a distance um

352
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but but when the aircraft is coming down

353
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under 500 feet and it's in some cases

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just 100 or 200 feet

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from you that's not what they're looking

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at

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right it's a definitely a different

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technology

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so roger let's let's find out a little

360
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bit about you

361
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and um you know we'll talk more about

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this subject of course but i want to

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find out

364
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about you how you got into the field and

365
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you are you are basically a journalist

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or close to one

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yeah that's i mean about my degrees i

368
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have a bachelor's and a master's degree

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in journalism

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um i i basically worked in the

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communications field my whole life

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i was a journalist you know newspaper

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magazine work

374
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i later spent a whole decade in book

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publishing professional book publishing

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for some pretty big companies you know

377
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developing books into worldwide

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audiences

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and at some point in my life i just

380
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decided to get out and do some other

381
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projects became a filmmaker

382
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i'm a writer of films and documentaries

383
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love to get out them going on an

384
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adventure friday night

385
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doing a quick shoot at a haunted

386
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farmhouse

387
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it's going to be very very interesting a

388
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haunted 200-acre dairy farm

389
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but but eventually i i came up with this

390
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experiment

391
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as a journalist because as i looked

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around the country and especially

393
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through the web because

394
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in professional journalism you know

395
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everybody from the wall street journal

396
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to the la times

397
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i wasn't seeing a single journalist

398
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in this country who could say that

399
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they're a full-time

400
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ufo writer now you do have that let's

401
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say at the huffington post

402
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um you know there are a couple of

403
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exceptions or people that maybe are

404
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part-time but this goes back to january

405
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of 09

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and i got in touch with the mufon

407
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executive director at that time

408
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james on and i had an experiment

409
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and i said you know i'm going to write

410
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about

411
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ufos full time as a journalist

412
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as a seasoned journalist and i've worked

413
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at very high levels across the country

414
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and very serious

415
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about it i've had my own sighting

416
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and and said yes go for it

417
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and at that time i hooked up with um

418
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examiner.com they were just about six

419
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months off the ground

420
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you know i found an outlet that would

421
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pay me to do the work

422
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and the way examiner is hooked up

423
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they they kind of match you with the

424
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with a a market so at that time i lived

425
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in chicago so i became the chicago

426
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ufo examiner within two weeks i was

427
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probably the most popular or one of the

428
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most popular writers

429
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in their entire system so of course i

430
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get a phone call from headquarters

431
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saying

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hey we'd like to bump you up and make

433
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you the national ufo examiner

434
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great and it just took off from there i

435
00:16:01,350 --> 00:15:58,720
mean it was like almost

436
00:16:02,389 --> 00:16:01,360
two billion you know page hits in my

437
00:16:04,670 --> 00:16:02,399
first year

438
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oh and it just yeah it just kept

439
00:16:09,910 --> 00:16:06,399
skyrocketing

440
00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:09,920
and but the closer i got with mufon and

441
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then the more that they learned to you

442
00:16:15,509 --> 00:16:12,639
know understand me

443
00:16:17,509 --> 00:16:15,519
and that you know the seriousness of the

444
00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:17,519
way that i worked i eventually then

445
00:16:21,910 --> 00:16:19,199
joined mufon

446
00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:21,920
um after a few years of working with

447
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:22,639
them

448
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became editor of their monthly journal

449
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as you mentioned earlier

450
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and about six months ago i became

451
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:32,000
director of communications for them

452
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:34,240
right i believe we communicated i

453
00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:36,000
congratulated you back then i i

454
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think oh thank you thank you yeah so

455
00:16:42,949 --> 00:16:40,160
it's been it's been a very serious

456
00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:42,959
ride for me as a journalist right now

457
00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:44,079
i'm just kind of

458
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:47,199
within move on you know day to day i

459
00:16:50,069 --> 00:16:47,680
handle

460
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:50,079
all of their media rights and

461
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:52,800
acquisitions for television

462
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,519
film documentary will work that keeps me

463
00:16:59,670 --> 00:16:57,839
extremely busy

464
00:17:01,509 --> 00:16:59,680
there isn't a day go by that we don't

465
00:17:02,230 --> 00:17:01,519
get a call from a production company in

466
00:17:04,069 --> 00:17:02,240
hollywood

467
00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:04,079
or you know the europeans or the

468
00:17:06,789 --> 00:17:05,280
japanese

469
00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:06,799
some you know show that's being

470
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:09,360
developed a lot like

471
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:12,880
a month before last we the show aired

472
00:17:17,590 --> 00:17:13,919
but we had developed an

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00:17:19,270 --> 00:17:17,600
entire hour with cnn the morgan spurlock

474
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:19,280
uh tv show yeah

475
00:17:22,390 --> 00:17:21,120
the airs sunday nights within an hour

476
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:22,400
with them

477
00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:24,959
uh very interesting so it's like a

478
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:27,039
longer series different topics we were

479
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:27,439
just

480
00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:30,559
the topic of that show you know um

481
00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:33,840
we're actually developing a similar show

482
00:17:37,029 --> 00:17:35,760
with a british company right now for

483
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,039
example

484
00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:39,440
um they're coming in i think july to two

485
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:41,120
different locations you know again just

486
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:43,200
for that episode

487
00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:45,120
and we pretty and we pretty much work

488
00:17:49,909 --> 00:17:47,679
with every show that's got ufos in it

489
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:49,919
you know to some extent from providing

490
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:51,760
background graphics

491
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:55,760
um case files uh talking heads you know

492
00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:57,679
something for them all so that's kind of

493
00:18:01,350 --> 00:17:59,200
part of what i do

494
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:01,360
is mainly the television stuff somewhat

495
00:18:05,909 --> 00:18:02,880
into film

496
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:05,919
um and then of course we have the

497
00:18:11,669 --> 00:18:09,360
the web content now coming in

498
00:18:12,950 --> 00:18:11,679
that happening and if i have nothing

499
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:12,960
else to do that i'm working on the

500
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:14,320
journal

501
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:16,080
now you're working with the open minds

502
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:17,440
now

503
00:18:21,510 --> 00:18:20,400
um yeah here i'll say this publicly for

504
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:21,520
the first time

505
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:23,840
uh i am still associated with

506
00:18:27,909 --> 00:18:25,280
examiner.com

507
00:18:29,669 --> 00:18:27,919
but they're an extremely frustrating

508
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:29,679
outlet to work with

509
00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:31,760
as sophisticated as their back end

510
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:34,480
system is for writers it's a great way

511
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:39,270
anyone that wants to read one of my

512
00:18:43,430 --> 00:18:41,600
stories currently you have to watch a 30

513
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:43,440
second video

514
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and usually it's the pop-ups happening

515
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two three pop-ups while you're reading a

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00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:49,200
story

517
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:51,280
so i finally said you know enough and i

518
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:52,720
looked around

519
00:18:57,350 --> 00:18:55,360
the globe and open minds i thought was

520
00:18:59,430 --> 00:18:57,360
doing a really really great job

521
00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,440
i agree at covering ufos both

522
00:19:04,150 --> 00:19:02,000
domestically and internationally

523
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,160
and when we had already had uh somewhat

524
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:06,400
of a an overlap with them already and

525
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:08,080
you know advertising trade-offs things

526
00:19:11,590 --> 00:19:09,280
like that

527
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:11,600
so i'm part of the team now that's

528
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,400
wonderful

529
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,640
yeah alejandro um i consider him a

530
00:19:19,990 --> 00:19:16,320
friend he's a he's a good guy

531
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:20,000
and he i he and i seem to think a little

532
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:20,480
bit

533
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:21,919
you know more or less on the same level

534
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:24,000
about this whole thing and

535
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:27,600
i really appreciate his hard work um

536
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,679
let's see one of the things that came up

537
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:31,280
on the message board and i'm curious too

538
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:32,240
let's hear about your

539
00:19:37,590 --> 00:19:35,679
sighting you had oh sure and

540
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:37,600
just so you know i mean i came from a

541
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:39,520
family of you know mom and dad eight

542
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:42,000
kids southwestern pennsylvania

543
00:19:47,390 --> 00:19:45,280
my parents early on

544
00:19:49,350 --> 00:19:47,400
i think it was i'm gonna say it was

545
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:49,360
1953.

546
00:19:53,029 --> 00:19:50,799
my mom got up in the middle of the night

547
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:53,039
to use the bathroom getting back on bed

548
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:53,679
she looks

549
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:56,240
windows sees this light and there is a

550
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:56,720
disc

551
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,600
shaped object hovering over the gas

552
00:20:03,029 --> 00:20:01,440
station across the street she wakes my

553
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,039
father up

554
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,280
my father you know a businessman

555
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:07,200
somebody who later in life became

556
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:09,919
extremely successful in his field

557
00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:12,880
uh kept very quiet about it but as a kid

558
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,240
growing up

559
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:16,720
i love to tell people my parents my

560
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:17,679
father bought

561
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,320
every ufo and magazine on the market we

562
00:20:24,549 --> 00:20:21,840
had everything

563
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,559
and so i i just remember even as a you

564
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:26,480
know being in the maybe fifth or sixth

565
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,679
grade just

566
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,440
sitting on the floor next to dad's

567
00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:31,280
nightstand you know the latest copy of

568
00:20:35,750 --> 00:20:32,720
fate magazine

569
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:35,760
any ufo story i could get my hand on

570
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:38,799
and then i don't know how well your

571
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:40,799
audience is familiar with this but

572
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:42,720
every once in a while in the country we

573
00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:43,840
have a flap

574
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:48,080
of ufos a period of time when there's a

575
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:51,200
like a very very high concentration

576
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,720
now i grew up in southwestern

577
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,799
pennsylvania in westmoreland county just

578
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:56,400
south of pittsburgh

579
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,039
and in 73-74 we had one of those flaps

580
00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:04,159
and stan gordon who

581
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:07,360
even today is still you know studying

582
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:10,960
and investigating ufos in pennsylvania

583
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,600
he was the guy back then and so state

584
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,440
local police agencies were feeding

585
00:21:19,110 --> 00:21:17,039
everything through stan

586
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,120
the unusual thing about that particular

587
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:22,000
flap was that it was a combination

588
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:24,480
ufo and bigfoot flap the two of them

589
00:21:27,789 --> 00:21:25,280
together

590
00:21:29,430 --> 00:21:27,799
but i'm 16 years old it's october of

591
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,440
1973

592
00:21:33,830 --> 00:21:31,919
and i'm standing outside just after dark

593
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:33,840
in my suburban neighborhood

594
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,640
with about 10 or 12 other kids looking

595
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,320
down the street you can see a lot of

596
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,960
moms and dads out with their rakes and

597
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,480
you know getting ready to go in but it

598
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,200
is dark out and somebody pointed down

599
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,679
the street and said what's that

600
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,000
and all eyes went that direction and

601
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,840
maybe the equivalent of about three

602
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:53,120
blocks away

603
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,720
we see this disc shaped object

604
00:22:00,549 --> 00:21:58,559
right over the telephone poles a

605
00:22:01,190 --> 00:22:00,559
telephone pole in pennsylvania is 40

606
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,200
feet

607
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:04,000
so this object had to be just 41 or 42

608
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,360
feet off the ground

609
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,840
the width of that two-line road

610
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:09,600
completely silent

611
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:11,840
just meandering along at about you know

612
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:12,720
maybe five

613
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,559
or 100 miles per hour

614
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:19,200
so we we had enough time to look at it

615
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:20,559
see it coming

616
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,880
and it was just a jaw-dropping thing it

617
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,960
just i tell people if i had a camera in

618
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,799
my hand i think i would have just

619
00:22:29,510 --> 00:22:27,679
dropped it

620
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:29,520
it just all of a sudden you only have a

621
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:31,120
few seconds to prepare

622
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:33,919
and as it moved over me it's like all

623
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:36,000
you heard was the displacement

624
00:22:40,390 --> 00:22:39,039
of air like a like a shh sound like a

625
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:40,400
swishing sound

626
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,640
and you could almost feel the weight of

627
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,840
this thing

628
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,159
you know the width of a two-lane road

629
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,120
maybe you know eight or ten feet tall

630
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:51,679
the entire bottom was lit up the same

631
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:52,960
color of the moon

632
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:55,039
and as it moved away from us it was it

633
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:56,240
was staying at that

634
00:23:01,110 --> 00:22:58,880
height and just following the lay of the

635
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,120
land the rolling hills in pennsylvania

636
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:03,039
and it went down and just crossed over

637
00:23:07,830 --> 00:23:05,360
route 30 just below us

638
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,840
uh and now the object did come back two

639
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,760
more times that night

640
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:12,000
i lived in a neighborhood of maybe you

641
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:12,880
know two

642
00:23:18,390 --> 00:23:16,320
250 homes at that time and a lot of

643
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:18,400
people were outside a lot of people had

644
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,360
seen it

645
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,440
and we all went to one neighbor's front

646
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:23,200
lawn and we stood there

647
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,320
and the audience the the ufo came back

648
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,960
again but at a little further distance

649
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:29,840
from us

650
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:33,840
it kind of shot in and then just hovered

651
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,120
maybe you know 500 feet 800 feet

652
00:23:40,390 --> 00:23:39,600
in the air and after a few seconds it

653
00:23:42,549 --> 00:23:40,400
just shot

654
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,559
straight down to the ground never

655
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,159
actually landed

656
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:46,720
so maybe 100 feet off the ground and

657
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,000
then it kind of slid

658
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:50,640
over to the right and then shot back up

659
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:53,120
to where it was hovering at before

660
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:55,039
okay and then at some point it's just

661
00:23:58,950 --> 00:23:56,240
sitting there

662
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:58,960
and then all of a sudden boom off like a

663
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,200
like a bat out of hell you couldn't

664
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:04,000
see it after a split second and then

665
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,559
within

666
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:07,440
seconds two military jets came that i'm

667
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:08,799
saying airspace

668
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:11,600
circled around and eventually went off

669
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,600
in the same direction the ufo went

670
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:15,760
a couple of seconds later two light

671
00:24:21,110 --> 00:24:18,080
airplanes also in formation

672
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,120
came in did the same circle flew off

673
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:22,799
wow and then the whole thing repeated

674
00:24:26,070 --> 00:24:24,720
itself about 15 minutes later

675
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,080
wow that's a good one was there anything

676
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:28,720
in the papers about it

677
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:31,679
um i'm positive there was not i know

678
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:32,400
that

679
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,520
my father was a volunteer with stan

680
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,880
gordon at the time

681
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,960
and he did call the case in so it is

682
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:40,000
logged in

683
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:41,760
now all these years later stan and i

684
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:43,440
went on to co-author the book

685
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:46,240
silent invasion if anyone's interested

686
00:24:51,430 --> 00:24:49,520
in what happened in pa in 7374

687
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,440
the book is by stan gordon it's called

688
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:54,240
silent invasion the pennsylvania ufo

689
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,240
bigfoot case book definitely a book to

690
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:00,240
read with a lot of lights on

691
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:03,279
and have company don't be alone it's a

692
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,480
great book but

693
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:07,200
my actual case is in that book okay

694
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,000
that's great

695
00:25:12,070 --> 00:25:10,080
great well you know how you mentioned

696
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,080
when it went over you and you felt

697
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:14,960
you could almost feel like pressure yes

698
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,240
we have a listener in australia that

699
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,200
mentioned that her her aunt or mother or

700
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,039
someone was out gardening

701
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,880
and one went over them and the pressure

702
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,960
just like pushed them to the ground and

703
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:28,720
they could feel it when it went over

704
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:31,279
and you know i mean just hearing you say

705
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,080
that

706
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,480
makes me wonder if you know how they

707
00:25:38,310 --> 00:25:35,919
never make any sound if there's some

708
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,320
type of anti-gravity

709
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:41,440
propulsion that they're using that makes

710
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:43,679
one feel pressure underneath them i mean

711
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:45,919
it's just a curious thing you hear about

712
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:49,520
every once in a while yeah we're kind of

713
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,159
logging

714
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:52,400
in a lot of what people say they're

715
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,440
feeling

716
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,679
and what's going on we already know that

717
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:57,600
a lot of these cases

718
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,919
that our electronics are completely

719
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:01,679
useless

720
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,679
it's almost like a force field that goes

721
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:05,840
out

722
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:08,480
and everything just goes down batteries

723
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:09,360
you know

724
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:12,720
drains or it's this

725
00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:16,400
feeling of lost time

726
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:19,520
also so we do know that they can affect

727
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:20,640
people to the point

728
00:26:25,750 --> 00:26:24,640
of you know gee i thought i was outside

729
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,760
for 10 minutes

730
00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,600
i come in and find out how i was out

731
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,200
there for two hours

732
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:31,440
so they kind of you hear that over and

733
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:32,320
over again

734
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:35,600
you know kind of a daze um not

735
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:39,440
always leading to a feeling of abduction

736
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:42,320
that does happen sometimes but yeah i i

737
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:43,440
think there's a lot

738
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,840
you know we're recording a lot of what

739
00:26:49,590 --> 00:26:47,360
people are saying

740
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:49,600
when they get around one of these things

741
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:50,799
now you're so

742
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,000
involved in this and and so actively uh

743
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,360
writing about all these cases um

744
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:00,240
why don't you just if you can this year

745
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:01,760
you know a lot of people say to me

746
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,000
well there's nothing new going on or you

747
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,840
know you guys are rehashing old cases

748
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:07,120
over and over again

749
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,480
and i understand that and i actually

750
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,320
believe that some of the old cases

751
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:14,000
deserve to be rehashed over and over

752
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,960
again because

753
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,200
new things come out but let's just say

754
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,679
this year in particular 2014

755
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,679
what would you say are some of the

756
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:23,440
highlights of some of the things you

757
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,830
oh boy i i'll have to say i don't know

758
00:27:32,549 --> 00:27:31,120
if i'm going to give you the answer you

759
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,559
want to hear

760
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:35,760
but i think that each year that picks to

761
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:36,720
lay

762
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:39,039
that we have more people coming forward

763
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:40,480
so we're getting

764
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,360
a higher number of brand new reports

765
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,880
like hey it happened last night it

766
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:46,399
happened last week

767
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,320
but the other thing that's happening

768
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:50,720
again more each year

769
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:53,200
um we are now getting where we didn't

770
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:53,840
get this

771
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:56,880
you know five ten years ago um

772
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:00,240
we're getting former retired military

773
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:03,679
coming forward we're getting retired

774
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:07,600
former police officers coming forward

775
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,320
two very very important groups in fact i

776
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:12,480
mean

777
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:15,200
we had a call today at headquarters i

778
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,880
don't know all the details but

779
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:19,039
uh jan hars on our executive director

780
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:20,559
did call me to alert

781
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:24,640
us or alert myself that a guy called

782
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,919
and was explaining this ufo incident he

783
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:28,960
had

784
00:28:37,430 --> 00:28:35,520
was the 40s or the 50s because he is up

785
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,440
there in years

786
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,440
and he said that he was pulled into a

787
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:40,799
room

788
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:43,840
and told this did not happen you will

789
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,440
never talk about it and they put

790
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,279
paperwork in front of this man

791
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:49,679
and he signed it and now he's up there

792
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:50,720
in years and he's

793
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:53,840
calling us for advice and saying

794
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,399
i want to tell the whole story i want to

795
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:58,159
do it but i'm afraid

796
00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:00,000
you know at my age is somebody going to

797
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,440
come in and arrest me

798
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:03,520
and put me in prison for the rest of my

799
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:04,559
life

800
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,559
but but we've been hearing these people

801
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,240
over and over and again i mean

802
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:10,240
we've we've had to send field

803
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,000
investigators out

804
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:14,640
at undisclosed locations to meet up with

805
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,600
these people they're afraid

806
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:19,600
one guy wanted to meet you know openly

807
00:29:24,070 --> 00:29:22,000
in a restaurant somewhere

808
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:24,080
and you know we went down we recorded

809
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,840
the whole conversation you know with his

810
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,120
permission

811
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,960
um they're just popping up all over the

812
00:29:33,029 --> 00:29:30,720
country in fact

813
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,039
um the you know i'm editor of the

814
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,919
journal the july journal which i'm

815
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,840
is just crossing my desk right now it's

816
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,679
just leaving

817
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:41,520
it's out for review right now but it's

818
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,269
here on monday morning this story just

819
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,960
came to me a couple of days ago out of

820
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,840
texas

821
00:29:53,430 --> 00:29:51,679
and i decided to clear you know the

822
00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:53,440
front page but we had a

823
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,960
police officer in texas who was on duty

824
00:30:02,070 --> 00:29:58,399
14 years ago

825
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,080
when he saw an entity up on the roof

826
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:05,279
of his town's post office and it's

827
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,120
it's a very compelling story and he went

828
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:11,440
on as a police officer for an additional

829
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:12,159
10 years

830
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,760
retired he's been retired for four years

831
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,679
now he was never asked to sign off

832
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:19,600
because he never put

833
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,960
the entire incident into the report

834
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:24,480
he basically just said there was a

835
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:30,630
but there were backup officers called

836
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,559
the fire department was called

837
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,640
they used a ladder truck you know to get

838
00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,159
him up on the roof

839
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:39,120
so again very compelling story but you

840
00:30:44,630 --> 00:30:40,640
know this is happening to us

841
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:44,640
now once or twice a week

842
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:48,000
wow to me that that's that's the 2014

843
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,279
story um and i'll take that that's

844
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:52,799
that's really interesting

845
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:55,039
one of the things i'd never ever talk

846
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,320
about in this show

847
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:59,120
but i'm going to ask you about it is men

848
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:00,640
in black

849
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:03,279
does that topic ever come up anymore

850
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,640
like when you're doing any type of

851
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,389
funny you should ask because

852
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,399
we've actually just been discussing that

853
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,080
lately

854
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:17,360
most of your classic men in black

855
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:18,159
stories

856
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:20,880
are from previous decades you know the

857
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:21,440
50s

858
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:24,880
60s 70s you know

859
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,120
in there up until a couple of weeks ago

860
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:31,919
if i was on your show i would have told

861
00:31:39,590 --> 00:31:34,960
you about a case that happened a couple

862
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:39,600
berta and i have since found that

863
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:43,120
upon closing that case out um that we we

864
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:44,080
actually now

865
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:46,480
case was a hoax that was my best men in

866
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,909
because it was a florida state police

867
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:53,679
officer and they had

868
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:55,600
all the elements of a great hollywood

869
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,279
production um

870
00:32:00,630 --> 00:31:58,880
you know steven spielberg was knocking

871
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,640
on our door trying to get that case

872
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:02,960
but i i believe i i have talked to the

873
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,240
state director now and he

874
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,559
he kind of believes that that's over in

875
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:08,320
hoax land right now

876
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,440
um so yeah we're not really um

877
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:15,440
honestly i'm thinking back over the last

878
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:17,919
five or six years

879
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:21,200
um and i'm really not hearing about

880
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:21,679
people

881
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:25,840
their door

882
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:27,200
you know and telling them you can't

883
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,600
speak about this you know you can't do

884
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:30,960
it

885
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,480
um i know that he even

886
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:36,880
said stan gordon had a case or a couple

887
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:38,720
of cases in that 7374

888
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,880
era where somebody had to have been

889
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,000
bugging his phone

890
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,640
back then because a witness for example

891
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,600
calls him

892
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:47,919
to say hey you know we just saw the

893
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,240
bigfoot creature on our property

894
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,640
get out here the the footprints are

895
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:54,159
fresh

896
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,919
so it takes him about an hour to get

897
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,080
himself together and get to the location

898
00:33:01,750 --> 00:33:00,559
only to find out that somebody else

899
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:01,760
showed up

900
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:04,720
ahead of time and interrogated everybody

901
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:05,919
at the scene

902
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,960
and then began destroying evidence

903
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:10,480
i mean literally went out to these

904
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:12,080
footprints and just

905
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:15,440
stamped them out it really upset the

906
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:15,919
people

907
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,080
at the scene the guy gets in his vehicle

908
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:23,190
we have no idea to this date you know

909
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:24,480
who that was

910
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:27,679
but that again that was back in 1973 i'm

911
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,000
just

912
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:30,480
not hearing about the men in black today

913
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,440
right right

914
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:33,760
now have any of the the stories that you

915
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:34,720
have written

916
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:38,080
about gone let's just say viral or gone

917
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:46,789
oh well some of them i would say are

918
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:52,399
are moving in to tell

919
00:33:58,149 --> 00:33:55,440
uh the the problem with television as

920
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:58,159
as i've seen it in the last five years

921
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,480
is

922
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,240
everybody wants to go after the same

923
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:01,760
cases um

924
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:04,159
they all want area 51 they all want the

925
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:04,799
crash

926
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,919
you know in 1947 at roswell you know

927
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:09,359
they all want the same thing and they

928
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,000
just keep

929
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,000
retelling the stories and i've been

930
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:14,000
screaming as loud as i can

931
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:18,000
you know we have great stories um

932
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:20,960
you know very very compelling stories we

933
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:21,440
don't

934
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:25,200
have the bumper off the ufo i'm sorry we

935
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:26,639
don't have a lot of

936
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,040
a lot of evidence we have some evidence

937
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:31,919
uh some trace evidence but we you know

938
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:34,720
uh i mean what what makes a story

939
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:35,599
compelling

940
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:38,560
you know there may be a lot of witnesses

941
00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:39,679
you know to something

942
00:34:45,909 --> 00:34:43,200
but when a craft comes down

943
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:45,919
under 500 feet i mean think about it the

944
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:46,480
further

945
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:50,159
back in time you go even 5 10 years ago

946
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:50,720
but then

947
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,069
martin people were just not coming

948
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,320
forward

949
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,200
i mean they kept these stories to just

950
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:03,440
their family and friends

951
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:07,280
i mean i i assure you that in 1973 i did

952
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:08,480
not go back to

953
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,800
high school on monday morning and tell

954
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:12,640
that story

955
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,160
i mean you know maybe i told a

956
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,079
girlfriend or you know my best

957
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,560
friend you know about what happened but

958
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:20,800
i was not out broadcasting it for fear

959
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:21,440
of

960
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,440
i've written about

961
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,160
in the last four or five years they are

962
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,720
mufon case files and we take them as far

963
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:32,160
as we can

964
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,200
um you know of course we look for you

965
00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:37,280
know mother nature we look for

966
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:40,480
our own known aircraft and once we rule

967
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,400
that out we call the case an unknown

968
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,640
and we close it out although no closed

969
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,480
case is ever permanently closed

970
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,720
we're always open to you know if

971
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:52,240
additional witnesses want to come

972
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,200
forward

973
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:55,200
or there's additional evidence but we

974
00:36:11,589 --> 00:35:59,040
have a lot of closed cases that are

975
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,550
and available the next couple of years

976
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,280
only studying the cases under 500 feet

977
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:19,839
and if you only study the triangle craft

978
00:36:25,270 --> 00:36:22,079
it's almost like

979
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,280
no two craft are exactly alike like

980
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,520
there's not this you know henry ford

981
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:29,040
model t factory

982
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:31,440
on planet x that's just knocking these

983
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,160
out

984
00:36:36,550 --> 00:36:35,280
one after another oh you have an old ufo

985
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:36,560
it's got fins on it

986
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:39,920
you know no it's the sleek one you know

987
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,440
um

988
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:43,359
you know hood emblems are out now and

989
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:44,720
that now we're doing this

990
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:47,359
you know no more suede interior now it's

991
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:47,839
soft

992
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,720
supple leather you know it just doesn't

993
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,640
seem like that it seems like the shape

994
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:54,000
and size

995
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,119
are you know it's

996
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,240
almost like the factory is giving no two

997
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:01,920
models are exactly alike

998
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,160
everybody gets you know a model unique

999
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:05,839
to them

1000
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:08,000
although you will with the triangle ship

1001
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:09,359
for example you will

1002
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,320
commonly see one red light at each of

1003
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:14,320
the three points and a white light

1004
00:37:18,310 --> 00:37:16,640
underneath and you'll get 10 in a row

1005
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,320
just like that

1006
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:20,880
although one person says it was 20 feet

1007
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:22,640
across another says it was 50 feet

1008
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:23,599
across

1009
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,000
then you have a witness that comes along

1010
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:30,320
that says no it was three white lights

1011
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:31,040
at the tip

1012
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:34,640
and a single red light underneath

1013
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,470
wow and we don't understand it you know

1014
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:45,359
yeah yeah there's someone uh we're gonna

1015
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,920
just take a real quick jag

1016
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,160
away from ufos just for a moment that

1017
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:52,079
someone wants to hear about your haunted

1018
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:53,760
cows

1019
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,839
can you just do a real brief thing when

1020
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,119
we get back on the topic

1021
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:59,280
oh sure i i also write about the

1022
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:01,200
paranormal in general

1023
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:05,119
and i never never go after famous cases

1024
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,359
i'm always looking for unique

1025
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:09,440
one-off cases cases that have never been

1026
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:10,480
told

1027
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,000
and i came across a family in

1028
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:17,200
um oh they're in southwestern

1029
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:18,400
pennsylvania

1030
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,079
and they have a 200 acre dairy farm

1031
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:25,280
the just a husband and wife they're in

1032
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,920
their

1033
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:27,920
i think the husband's about 70 years old

1034
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:29,760
the wife's late 40s

1035
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:33,599
early 50s the husband's

1036
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:37,440
parents bought the farm in 1946

1037
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,520
the other kids went off to do other

1038
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:41,760
careers this is the kid that stayed at

1039
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:43,040
home

1040
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,240
and they've had a number of instances

1041
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:49,520
where they saw you know a ghost

1042
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:52,880
something materialized in the hum

1043
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:56,000
probably the most interesting and it

1044
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,520
always seems to be related to someone

1045
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,599
who once lived in the house

1046
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,680
where the area because the wife opened

1047
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,839
this the door in the kitchen

1048
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:05,440
that looks up the staircase to the

1049
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,880
second floor

1050
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,680
and she saw a little boy standing at the

1051
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:11,359
top of the stairs about three or four

1052
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:12,480
years old

1053
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,079
and he had a long like nightgown on like

1054
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,760
a one-piece thing

1055
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:20,079
and kind of short hair in front kind of

1056
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:21,520
longer in the back

1057
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,560
and in his right hand he had his middle

1058
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,599
finger

1059
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,440
in his mouth like he was talking on the

1060
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:29,839
fender and he's just looking down

1061
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:32,240
you know down the staircase very sadly

1062
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:33,839
at this woman

1063
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,320
well she just freaked out when she saw

1064
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,400
this and she ran out of the staircase

1065
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:41,359
ran outside met up with her husband and

1066
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,079
she's describing this little boy

1067
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:46,960
and he took her calmly into the house

1068
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:47,280
and

1069
00:39:55,750 --> 00:39:52,880
pulled a photo out of a cousin of his

1070
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:55,760
and held it up and said is this the kid

1071
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,480
and

1072
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:58,720
she said yeah that's him that's the kid

1073
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:59,599
i saw

1074
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,560
and he said well he died from pneumonia

1075
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,240
at the age of three

1076
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,000
and he said the one thing i remembered

1077
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:08,160
about that kid he was always sucking on

1078
00:40:11,589 --> 00:40:09,359
that middle finger

1079
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:11,599
on his right hand which she knew nothing

1080
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,480
about

1081
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:15,599
well um oh that's a good i can tell you

1082
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:16,079
more

1083
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:17,599
there's like two other things going on

1084
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:18,560
in the house i don't know what your

1085
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:19,680
time's like

1086
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:22,880
well no that's that's great now um one

1087
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,119
of

1088
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,160
this

1089
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:28,160
and that is a lot of times you hear

1090
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:30,319
about you know ufo

1091
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:33,599
reports in uh in an area and then you'll

1092
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,000
hear

1093
00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:36,640
about you know bigfoot and ghosts all in

1094
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,680
the same area

1095
00:40:40,790 --> 00:40:39,920
now do you have any instances you can

1096
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:40,800
think of that

1097
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:43,920
since you do so much writing on this

1098
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,200
well i'll cite simply the 7374 era

1099
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,440
again the book silent invasion by stan

1100
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,440
gordon

1101
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:55,440
here's the typical thing that happened

1102
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,520
you'd have two two neighbors

1103
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:59,119
who live very close to each other but

1104
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,560
they don't know each other

1105
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,440
again rolling hills of pennsylvania one

1106
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:05,119
lives on one side of the hill one lives

1107
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:07,040
on the other side of the hill

1108
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:08,800
but their homes are accessed from

1109
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:11,440
different roads on each side of the hill

1110
00:41:15,030 --> 00:41:13,280
even though they probably live you know

1111
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,040
just a few hundred

1112
00:41:18,790 --> 00:41:17,040
yards from each other they don't know

1113
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:18,800
each other one witness

1114
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:21,839
calls in to stand and says hey

1115
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,800
we looked out you know our back window

1116
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,640
at nine o'clock last night

1117
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:29,040
and there were three bigfoot creatures

1118
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:31,599
standing in our backyard

1119
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:34,160
great he takes the case report i'll be

1120
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,079
you know i'll be out to investigate

1121
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,079
an hour later the family on the other

1122
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,079
side of the hill calls and says hey

1123
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:42,720
at nine o'clock last night there was a

1124
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,280
you know

1125
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,560
oval shaped disc shaped object hovering

1126
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:48,400
50 feet off the ground in our

1127
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,560
backyard last night hmm okay

1128
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:54,160
you kind of have to put two and two

1129
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:56,160
together and it's not just

1130
00:42:02,470 --> 00:41:59,359
isolated cases it's hundreds

1131
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,480
of cases from that era

1132
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,760
and then there's of course there's if

1133
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:04,960
you ever want to hear about the great

1134
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,359
uniontown case of 73

1135
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,680
oh my god the ufo landed there were

1136
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:11,839
bigfoot creatures in brown

1137
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,040
state police officer was a witness

1138
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:17,440
excellent story wow that sounds like a

1139
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,280
good one

1140
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:21,520
and we can go over that a little bit if

1141
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,720
you'd like if you want to just

1142
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,960
elaborate a little more on that oh on

1143
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:26,720
the uniontown case yes this also

1144
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,109
state police got a call that an object

1145
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:37,359
landed on their farm near uniontown

1146
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,319
pennsylvania

1147
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:40,400
fayette county sand county where the

1148
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,880
farm is coincidentally

1149
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,480
anyway what happened was the farmer and

1150
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,240
his wife and son and a couple of

1151
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,760
neighbor kids were standing on the front

1152
00:42:52,790 --> 00:42:49,599
porch after dark one night

1153
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,800
and they saw this large maybe i'm doing

1154
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:54,000
this on memory maybe

1155
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:57,520
40 50 feet across you know round object

1156
00:43:00,630 --> 00:43:00,240
you know in a slow trajectory coming

1157
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:00,640
down

1158
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,079
toward you know their property and

1159
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:07,040
the son and i think he was about maybe

1160
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:08,560
18 years old at the time

1161
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:10,560
he jumps in the family pickup truck with

1162
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,280
these two younger boys from the area

1163
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:15,359
and as they approach the spot where they

1164
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:16,319
thought the object

1165
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,800
landed they were actually driving up the

1166
00:43:22,069 --> 00:43:19,920
hill they couldn't

1167
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:22,079
see down over the you know the null of

1168
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:22,960
the hill

1169
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,960
so they got close to the peak of the

1170
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:27,040
hill when they stop the pickup truck

1171
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,280
they get out the three of them run up to

1172
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:30,720
the top of the hill and they look

1173
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:34,079
down and they see this object 40 50 feet

1174
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:35,200
across

1175
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:38,640
just glowing white sitting

1176
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,599
on the ground so the the teenage boy

1177
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,200
goes back to the pickup truck where he's

1178
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,960
got a shotgun

1179
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:47,119
he comes back to the top of the hill you

1180
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,319
know aims

1181
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,359
and fires right at the object as he

1182
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:52,880
pulls the trigger

1183
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:56,480
the ufo just in the blink of an eye

1184
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,680
disappears right in front of them um

1185
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,200
i know at that point one of the little

1186
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:03,599
boys ran off you know just without the

1187
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,319
pickup truck

1188
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,240
ran off screaming as i remember the

1189
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,160
story the other one stayed

1190
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,800
there at that point the remaining boy

1191
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,839
and the teenager

1192
00:44:15,030 --> 00:44:13,520
got back in the pickup truck they went

1193
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:15,040
back to mom and dad's house they called

1194
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:15,520
the state

1195
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:21,599
not quite you know probably believing

1196
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:22,560
what's going on

1197
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,920
they send one officer one cruiser out to

1198
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,880
the property

1199
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,720
they and they go to he starts at the

1200
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,240
house they pick up

1201
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:32,240
the teenage boy the two of them drive up

1202
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,599
to that same spot

1203
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:35,119
where they park the pickup truck they

1204
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:36,880
get to the gnoll that hill

1205
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:39,200
and they look down and what they're

1206
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:41,040
seeing they're not seeing a craft on the

1207
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,680
ground

1208
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:43,680
but the state police officer would later

1209
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:44,800
go on record

1210
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,079
and i quote him and sang from the light

1211
00:44:52,390 --> 00:44:50,240
that was left behind on the ground

1212
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:52,400
he said you could read a newspaper by

1213
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:53,760
that light

1214
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:56,560
so he's on the ground now at the site

1215
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,960
like

1216
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,440
looking at the ground it's lit he can

1217
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:01,359
read a newspaper off of it

1218
00:45:07,030 --> 00:45:04,960
and he and the teenager look up

1219
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:07,040
because there's a line of trees you know

1220
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,470
there are two bigfoot creatures coming

1221
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:14,400
toward them

1222
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:17,040
freaked the police officer out they they

1223
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:18,160
said that he ran

1224
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,440
so fast to his cruiser and back another

1225
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,280
you know this is 1973 they didn't have

1226
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,440
electric lock buttons on your keychain

1227
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,760
you know and they said that he couldn't

1228
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:28,800
get the key

1229
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:32,720
in the door so they took the kid

1230
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:34,480
then back to the barracks where of

1231
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,240
course everybody

1232
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:38,480
they thought it was a humorous event and

1233
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:39,599
they were picking on

1234
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,720
you know both the witness and um and of

1235
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,319
course the officer

1236
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,040
the the little-known part of that story

1237
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:49,359
is that police officer never went back

1238
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,079
to work

1239
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:53,119
he resigned and moved out of state

1240
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,800
and stan gordon and his right-hand man

1241
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:58,800
who's now deceased in fact i have

1242
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:02,319
i have him on a like a 45 minute video

1243
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,200
that's not available on youtube where he

1244
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,040
details this case because the two of

1245
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,720
them went out there that night

1246
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,520
later that night so quite interesting

1247
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:13,359
second part to the story

1248
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,480
wow wow that is something now i wanted

1249
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,720
to ask you since you're involved in you

1250
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:19,520
you're

1251
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,319
sightings

1252
00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:26,720
come in day after day and a lot of them

1253
00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:27,440
are

1254
00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:29,440
at least as they say a percentage of

1255
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:32,800
them cannot be explained

1256
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,520
why on earth would you think that would

1257
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:36,720
be

1258
00:46:43,589 --> 00:46:43,040
so often just you know in your own

1259
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:43,599
thoughts

1260
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:46,079
what do you think yeah if you're asking

1261
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:47,520
me personally

1262
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:51,920
um yeah that they've always been here

1263
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:54,560
i mean the the theory that they're

1264
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,359
coming

1265
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,560
that they're off planet uh i kind of

1266
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:01,920
look at it like it's another species

1267
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:04,800
and i also tend to look at it because if

1268
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:05,520
if you

1269
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:07,680
just stopped and spent the next year

1270
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,240
just studying the bigfoot creature

1271
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:12,400
and then go and spend another year or

1272
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,990
it's almost like they're they're

1273
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,440
interdimensional

1274
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,240
somehow that we're not tracking them

1275
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,280
they're coming into our airspace or

1276
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,800
are you familiar with the book hunt for

1277
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,280
the skinwalker oh yes i read it

1278
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:31,920
and hopefully george is going to be on

1279
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:32,559
he can't

1280
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,000
he's busy during the

1281
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,040
this hour but he's going to be recording

1282
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:41,680
at some point george knapp

1283
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,880
yeah he's our keynote speaker this

1284
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:46,240
summer

1285
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,480
i'm one of the speakers in in july

1286
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:53,040
in new jersey this year but yeah in that

1287
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:53,599
book

1288
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:55,119
i'll just quickly tell you you might

1289
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,880
remember the scene that it's

1290
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:59,760
two scientists out after dark and

1291
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,359
they're coming up on a it's either a

1292
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:02,880
lake or a pond

1293
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,760
and they see this like ball of light

1294
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:06,800
okay

1295
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,880
and it's coming along like the banks of

1296
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:10,640
the water and all of a sudden that ball

1297
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:11,599
of light

1298
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,280
begins to expand and it expands out

1299
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:16,960
to what you know maybe four or five feet

1300
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:18,720
if i remember correctly

1301
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:20,640
and then all of a sudden a big foot

1302
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:21,760
creature steps

1303
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,800
out of it right crawls out creature goes

1304
00:48:28,470 --> 00:48:26,160
up along the bank

1305
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:28,480
and the light just folds into itself

1306
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,440
implodes and

1307
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:32,640
boom to a dime to it disappears

1308
00:48:37,829 --> 00:48:35,680
yeah so that's those are the kind of

1309
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,839
details there was another bigfoot uh

1310
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,359
story in 73

1311
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,920
that took place in ohio powell

1312
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:43,359
pennsylvania

1313
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,880
where this mountain woman alcohol she

1314
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:48,400
lived alone you know with just her and

1315
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,680
her animals

1316
00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:51,680
thought that something was coming after

1317
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,720
her chickens

1318
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:55,359
after dark stepped outside on the little

1319
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:56,800
front porch that she had with her

1320
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:57,920
shotgun

1321
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:01,200
and she came face to face probably 12 to

1322
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:03,680
15 feet from a bigfoot creature

1323
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:06,400
she cocked that gun down and she pointed

1324
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:06,720
it

1325
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:10,319
incident

1326
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:13,359
as she pulled the trigger the bigfoot

1327
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,000
creature

1328
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,480
simply dissolved like in a blink of an

1329
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,160
eye throw the light switch

1330
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:20,559
stan investigated that case he found the

1331
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,000
the bullet holes

1332
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:25,280
or you know the bullets in the tree

1333
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:27,520
i mean people just can't keep making

1334
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,400
this stuff up

1335
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,480
because because the they the facts

1336
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,800
overlap one to the other

1337
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:35,520
and there are similarities between

1338
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,319
different

1339
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:38,559
types of paranormal events we're just

1340
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,000
not understanding them but if you're

1341
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:42,240
asking me for my personal opinion it's

1342
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,319
not necessarily mufon's opinion

1343
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:47,359
but i think all of this it's always been

1344
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:47,760
here

1345
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,599
in fact you could this could be a tv

1346
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:52,319
series you could drop me off blindfolded

1347
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,079
anywhere in the country i don't care

1348
00:49:59,109 --> 00:49:56,000
where you drop me off

1349
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:59,119
give me 24 hours and i'll find you know

1350
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:00,640
a ufo encounter

1351
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,760
i'll find like ghost stories all kinds

1352
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,040
of paranormal events

1353
00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:06,880
people just aren't out talking about

1354
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:08,960
them they're it's not water cooler

1355
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:12,400
you know gossip yet right yeah yeah

1356
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,079
you know we have a question up on the

1357
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,920
chatroom and i can chime in just a

1358
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:17,359
little bit on it one of the people want

1359
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:18,000
to know

1360
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,599
has anyone ever talked about a square

1361
00:50:26,069 --> 00:50:22,160
ufo and i will i will say

1362
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,079
to that listener is uh yes i i

1363
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:28,800
did speak to someone that had a square

1364
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,520
ufo

1365
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:31,599
encounter it looked like a box according

1366
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,280
to him with lights around it

1367
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:35,200
and it actually uh moved up in the sky

1368
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:37,119
and it burst into about five lights that

1369
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,480
made a formation

1370
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,480
very very strange but do you ever hear

1371
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:42,640
of any uh square or box

1372
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,680
type yeah the the box

1373
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:48,000
not as common but the rectangle very

1374
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:49,760
common

1375
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,400
it's one of our lower reported but i

1376
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,559
remember there was a famous case

1377
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:57,119
out of i want to say north carolina it's

1378
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:58,800
been three four years since i

1379
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:02,079
covered this case but it was a elderly

1380
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,960
couple

1381
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:04,640
uh had just finished dinner they're at

1382
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,240
the back of the house in the kitchen

1383
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,640
doing dishes together and the wife

1384
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,319
looks out in the backyard and says to

1385
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,480
the husband what's that green light

1386
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:15,119
so the husband you know meanders out

1387
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,559
into the backyard

1388
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,480
and it's actually in the neighbor's yard

1389
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:20,720
so he walks up to the hedge and looks

1390
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,440
over the hedge and he sees this object

1391
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:26,000
again on memory i apologize if i'm off a

1392
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:26,800
little bit

1393
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:29,920
something about 40 feet long and maybe

1394
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:30,240
10

1395
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,440
12 feet wide a rectangle hovering

1396
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,520
right there in the neighbor's yard no

1397
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:38,000
sound and all of a sudden the front and

1398
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:38,720
just sort of

1399
00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:41,119
tilts up a little bit and then boom it's

1400
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,240
the bad out of hell

1401
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,359
you know theme right i had the guy i

1402
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,520
i had an internet radio show for about

1403
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,280
six months a few years ago

1404
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,599
had him as a guest on the show and i had

1405
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,839
to live on the show i had to say that

1406
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,280
when you went back inside

1407
00:52:02,549 --> 00:52:00,710
these incidents happen in the blink of

1408
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:02,559
an eye you could have two people in this

1409
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,440
in the street

1410
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:06,000
with their back to each other and one of

1411
00:52:09,270 --> 00:52:06,640
them is

1412
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:09,280
totally not just having a normal day and

1413
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,400
the other guy

1414
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:13,200
is looking at a ufo hovering you know 15

1415
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:14,480
feet off the ground

1416
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:17,440
and then boom it's gone he turns to his

1417
00:52:21,510 --> 00:52:19,200
friend did you say that the friends were

1418
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,520
like no

1419
00:52:26,069 --> 00:52:23,920
one of the things um that people always

1420
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,079
bring up when it comes to

1421
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,400
ufos and sightings this is mostly people

1422
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,319
outside of the field that say well

1423
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,880
sure how come you know everybody has a

1424
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:34,240
cell phone how come there aren't more

1425
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,520
pictures and then

1426
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:38,160
um the next thing you hear about is um

1427
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,559
well

1428
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,760
you know how come the pictures are

1429
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:41,760
always blurry and then if the pictures

1430
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:43,119
are too good then you know it's

1431
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:44,559
photoshopped or

1432
00:52:49,829 --> 00:52:48,000
you know why don't you address

1433
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:49,839
any one of those topics because yeah

1434
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:51,040
that always comes up

1435
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,640
yeah i i still think i still believe

1436
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:57,119
you know the the further into the future

1437
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:58,000
we go

1438
00:53:01,030 --> 00:53:00,240
the more sophisticated our electronics

1439
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:01,040
will be

1440
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:02,640
but there's a number of different

1441
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:04,160
reasons it starts with

1442
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,520
my reason for you know from 1973

1443
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,839
i mean even at age 16 you know i come

1444
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,599
from a photography family

1445
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,920
i was a photographer back then a you

1446
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:15,520
know pretty damn good one

1447
00:53:19,510 --> 00:53:18,559
but i swear to you if i had had a camera

1448
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:19,520
on me

1449
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,720
i would have dropped it i mean

1450
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:25,200
because we all live in this what we call

1451
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:26,800
our real world

1452
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,160
our real surroundings okay and if

1453
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:32,480
something out of the ordinary like that

1454
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,240
happens it's it it frightens you

1455
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,640
like what is this what what if you were

1456
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:40,319
just out walking

1457
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,240
at night by yourself and suddenly a

1458
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:44,079
bigfoot creature steps out in front of

1459
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:44,800
you

1460
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:49,359
there's a little bit

1461
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,520
hold the pose do your hair take time to

1462
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:53,359
do your hair okay

1463
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,319
no and even even at my age at the age of

1464
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:57,520
57

1465
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:01,599
time me say roger quick there's a ufo

1466
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:03,680
okay you know which pocket is my cell

1467
00:54:08,549 --> 00:54:05,839
phone in you know i have a pretty good

1468
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:08,559
cell phone camera okay how many seconds

1469
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:10,000
is it going to take me

1470
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,680
okay okay i know i put that button on

1471
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:13,520
the front screen push that button no now

1472
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,920
it's

1473
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:16,000
still or video which one should i do

1474
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,240
push that one a couple more seconds

1475
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:21,280
it's gone in my in most cases and

1476
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:25,760
then even if even if i said a ufo

1477
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:28,400
okay flies right into the middle of a

1478
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,800
steven spielberg movie set

1479
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:32,880
where there's you know multi-million

1480
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,440
dollar cameras directors with like 52

1481
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:37,760
years of experience okay

1482
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:41,520
lens is six feet long okay these objects

1483
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,319
can cause

1484
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:44,640
all of the electronics to jam and not

1485
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,000
work

1486
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:48,880
so again i'm not completely saying that

1487
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,760
you know

1488
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:51,440
we don't have anything good why is it

1489
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,240
always blurry it is very frustrating

1490
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:57,040
but i do hear that over and over again

1491
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,000
every day

1492
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:00,640
i tried to get an image of it and my

1493
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:01,520
camera that's

1494
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:04,720
never not worked before i swear to you i

1495
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,000
had just charged it that

1496
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:08,480
morning i couldn't get it to do a damn

1497
00:55:13,910 --> 00:55:09,280
thing

1498
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:13,920
airspace boom it's all working again

1499
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:17,200
right yeah you hear that a lot and um i

1500
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,319
mentioned this and i don't want to be

1501
00:55:21,829 --> 00:55:20,319
redundant but you know i i mentioned

1502
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,839
this that

1503
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:24,160
a russian gentleman i spoke to was going

1504
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:26,240
through a mountain pass in russia

1505
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,839
years ago and he said that every single

1506
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,599
car engine stopped

1507
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:31,599
and this cigar-shaped thing floated over

1508
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:33,520
them and then you know after it went

1509
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,000
through the

1510
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,799
pass every car started you know everyone

1511
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,079
could start their engine back up

1512
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:40,640
it does seem to affect things like that

1513
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:42,079
we only have a few minutes

1514
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:44,079
or actually we have less than a minute

1515
00:55:47,910 --> 00:55:45,359
left so

1516
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,920
why don't you if you would um do you

1517
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:49,520
have a website or

1518
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:51,040
you have a way to be contacted you want

1519
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:52,799
to give out well

1520
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,960
on the personal side as a writer if

1521
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,720
anyone wants to look at my works that

1522
00:56:02,510 --> 00:55:58,079
are available

1523
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:02,520
i'm at roger marsh dot that's

1524
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:08,789
marsh.moonfruit.com

1525
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,760
moon fruit moonfruit.com it's a free

1526
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:13,920
place put a website up it's very easy to

1527
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:14,559
do

1528
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:19,920
there's free things over there i wrote a

1529
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:22,720
paranormal short story

1530
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,760
i have done three

1531
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,520
paranormal documentaries which were

1532
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:29,280
available free at youtube

1533
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,040
but you can see the descriptions you can

1534
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,760
click and easily go right over

1535
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,520
i did write and direct full-length

1536
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:37,680
comedy you could see that over there i

1537
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:38,960
did write and direct

1538
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:42,079
a paranormal docu-drama that's over

1539
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:43,280
there

1540
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:46,480
um and then i do write for huffington

1541
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,400
post you could click to go there

1542
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:50,400
i have not probably put open minds in

1543
00:56:54,549 --> 00:56:51,920
yet

1544
00:56:55,990 --> 00:56:54,559
roger thanks so much we ran out of time

1545
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:56,000
thank you so much

1546
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,520
okay thanks for having me bye-bye you

1547
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,920
bet so that's it for our show today

1548
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:01,119
if you missed any part of it you can

1549
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,400
catch the podcast over at podcastufo.com

1550
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:05,920
i want to thank everyone for helping out

1551
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:08,480
with the show today

1552
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:11,760
keith roland and andy fleming for his

1553
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:12,400
clip

1554
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,720
you can check us out live here next week

1555
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:16,079
right here at the dark matter radio

1556
00:57:19,109 --> 00:57:16,640
network

1557
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:19,119
and every wednesday at 9 00 pm eastern

1558
00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:20,400
standard time